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The Strength of the Humans [Ver. 2.0]; Another analysis by the Sith Lord.
Topic Started: Jul 22 2013, 02:09 AM (4,552 Views)
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This short analysis will focus on the humans and how powerful they ended up being at different points in the story. For clarification, this will include a short bit on Mr. Satan and Videl, but the main subjects will be Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. Be warned, this passage is operating under the assumption that all of the aforementioned characters are considered "Earthlings," which will also be elaborated upon in the following reading.

Before I begin, I want to explain that this is not me forcing my opinion on anybody, or me making this to spite the opinions/beliefs of anybody else. As well as considering all of the characters earthlings, the following analysis will be running under P123's Guide to Battle Power Logic, namely rules #1, #2, and #5.

Alright, let's start.

1. PRE-SAIYAN BATTLE

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2. SAIYAN BATTLE

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3. FREEZA ARC

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4. PRE-ANDROIDS

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5. ANDROIDS

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6. CELL

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7. MAJIN BOO

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8. END OF Z

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8. THE MEANING OF "EARTHLING"

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9. ARGUMENTS & COUNTER-ARGUMENTS

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[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20111007082605/http://kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide
[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20111007082605/http://kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide
[3] http://web.archive.org/web/20110925040604/http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_s-u#tenshinhan
[4] http://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link
[5] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/tenkaichi-densetsu-toriyama-koyama-nozawa/
[6] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-4-akira-toriyama-best/
[7] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20803&p=603804&hilit=Kuririn#p603796
[8] http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8689405&t=8406750
[9] http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
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A few questions.

1) Why do you say Freeza is > Krillin and Tien from Buu arc onwards? I realise you brought up the argument that Krillin not backing out doesn't make him stronger than Freeza, but nothing in that saga compares Tien/Krillin to Freeza so surely it should be Freeza<?>Krillin > Tien?

2) For the android saga what is your explanation for Piccolo telling the humans to not follow him to the fight with #17 when he had no problems with Krillin following them to the battle with the Androids?

Otherwise this looks very good.
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Jul 22 2013, 02:29 AM
A few questions.

1) Why do you say Freeza is > Krillin and Tien from Buu arc onwards? I realise you brought up the argument that Krillin not backing out doesn't make him stronger than Freeza, but nothing in that saga compares Tien/Krillin to Freeza so surely it should be Freeza<?>Krillin > Tien?

2) For the android saga what is your explanation for Piccolo telling the humans to not follow him to the fight with #17 when he had no problems with Krillin following them to the battle with the Androids?

Otherwise this looks very good.
I just carried over Freeza from the last comparison, I guess. If Krillin was inferior before he stopped training, then he would be afterwards.

Well, he clearly stated that the humans stood no chance against Gero, so it couldn't have been a strength issue. Maybe he wanted more eyes to help find Gero, whereas he didn't need the humans for any particular reason to fight No.17.
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I mean on the way to the city, Krillin joined up with him and Goku and Piccolo didn't object at all. The finding Dr Gero part makes more sense because they were already there. But why does Piccolo tell the humans not to come with him to fight #17 but say nothing to Krillin to come fight #19 and #20.
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Jul 22 2013, 02:54 AM
I mean on the way to the city, Krillin joined up with him and Goku and Piccolo didn't object at all. The finding Dr Gero part makes more sense because they were already there. But why does Piccolo tell the humans not to come with him to fight #17 but say nothing to Krillin to come fight #19 and #20.
He could've thought that they'd all be fighting as a unit, instead of Goku fighting solo. Goku did tell him and Tenshinhan to stay out of his fight with No.19, after all.
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At least we don't have to go through Krillin > Tien since that was the best theory dismantlement on the topic I've ever seen. On topic:

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Krillin was virtually the same, though it wasn't shown that he turned down the chance to use the Room of Spirit and Time (it was never said that he used it either).


Is it possible to assume that he might have gone anyway?

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Jul 22 2013, 04:17 AM
At least we don't have to go through Krillin > Tien since that was the best theory dismantlement on the topic I've ever seen. On topic:

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Krillin was virtually the same, though it wasn't shown that he turned down the chance to use the Room of Spirit and Time (it was never said that he used it either).


Is it possible to assume that he might have gone anyway?
You could assume that but it'd be basically impossible to prove. The official timeline doesn't list him going in, and there isn't any support for that theory in the rest of the manga.
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edit: actually I'll take it back, it's just too weak.
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The first thing I do is start by having him jump ahead by a good mile from the battles on Namek, and then keep that lead going into the android saga. After that it's a simple matter of Tenshinhan not making big gains, which is easy enough to understand considering his environment and his role in the story at that point.
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Looks good , only question is isnt possible for videl to be stronger then her pops in buu saga

Gohan hints at it by sayinf might even be... then later confirms
Wouldnt she be roughly equal with satan or a tad bit stronger pre training then definetively stronger post?
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Jul 22 2013, 04:38 AM
Looks good , only question is isnt possible for videl to be stronger then her pops in buu saga

Gohan hints at it by sayinf might even be... then later confirms
Wouldnt she be roughly equal with satan or a tad bit stronger pre training then definetively stronger post?
Since Gohan only says she "might" be stronger than Satan before their training, I just stick with her being equal at best. It's only when they're preparing for the tournament that Gohan confirms that she's stronger than her father, so I roll with that.

If you want to have her ever so slightly stronger beforehand, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Word i have them equal anyways was just wondering, since u have mark stronger in ur chain
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How does Yo Son Goku factor into this since BoG makes it canon? And yes the animated version was created before the manga adaptation so its the canon one.

It is agreed all around that Frieza is weak standard, post Buu, and more suitable for kids who did not transform. Doesn't that place Yamcha, let alone Krillin as a threat to Frieza, since they all want to fight these powers after years of sitting on the sideline?
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Jul 22 2013, 09:09 AM
How does Yo Son Goku factor into this since BoG makes it canon? And yes the animated version was created before the manga adaptation so its the canon one.

It is agreed all around that Frieza is weak standard, post Buu, and more suitable for kids who did not transform. Doesn't that place Yamcha, let alone Krillin as a threat to Frieza, since they all want to fight these powers after years of sitting on the sideline?
When do Yamcha and Krillin want to fight Abo and Cado?
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Jul 22 2013, 06:19 PM
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Jul 22 2013, 09:09 AM
How does Yo Son Goku factor into this since BoG makes it canon? And yes the animated version was created before the manga adaptation so its the canon one.

It is agreed all around that Frieza is weak standard, post Buu, and more suitable for kids who did not transform. Doesn't that place Yamcha, let alone Krillin as a threat to Frieza, since they all want to fight these powers after years of sitting on the sideline?
When do Yamcha and Krillin want to fight Abo and Cado?
I dunno about Yamcha but Krillin raises his hand and says "I'd to fight too" or something to that effect and #18 tells him there's no reward involve which prompts a "so?" from Krillin. He also draws a radish to decide who gets to fight. Yamcha didn't want to fight as far as I remember.

Roshi also wants to fight though so...yeah...

Edit: I should note this is before the power of Abo and Cado are revealed.
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